Foresight
Allows you to sense things that are about to happen, seconds before they actually happen. (Think Spiderman's spidey sense.)
To buy: 175 Gold

I think this shouldn't be effective against acts of stealth especially if one is armed with say... the stealth and ambush abilities. I mean, the latent spell would totally negate the use of those two.

Here is my suggestion:

Foresight
Allows you to sense things that are about to happen, seconds before they actually happen (Think Spiderman's spidey sense.) This does not allow you to detect stealth-based attacks specifically those accomplished through the Stealth, Ambush and Backstab fighter abilities.

Why Stealth and Ambush? It's because I understand that they are highly specialized skills that can only be accomplished by the handful who have worked "years" to earn them. They've trained for them more than others and I think they deserve to pull it off effectively without being detected by such a spell unless they have been detected through other means.

Yes I agree with the case of fighter abilites. I love my foresight!!

Yet I believe the beholder of the spell should only post a feeling, perhaps the hairs on the back of their neck, but that's what the spell really is. Choosing to act on said warnings quickly enough would need lightning reflexes. Still in said situation Stealth would override any feelings until it is too late because of it's advanced technique. You know.. I think these are abilities that should be honed by Advanced RPer's perhaps.

But the entire basis of the Foresight spell is to give people a split second warning and a chance to dodge. I think it would be very unfair to change the spell in this way as the people who paid their 165 gold will no longer have the spell they payed for.

I personally think it's up to the victim's creativity to find a way to dodge and not have a spell handed over to them for spoon-feeding so that they'd just have an excuse for an easy reason to dodge. Think also about the people who invest purely on stealth because it's the nature of their character. Think about how much they spend for it--- to be able to access stealth alone is 200 gold... what more ambush that costs 250. That's practically 450 gold on highly specialized abilities that cannot be accessed by just anyone-- only to be debunked because some unexplainable force allows people to sense danger seconds into the future?

I mean come on.. rpers ought to be more creative than that. Some things shouldn't be all that easy to solve because boom... you have a spell to solve it for you.

I just think folks who have invested on fighter abilities ... specifically on fighter stealth abilities ought to get what they trained for-- because seriously, what's the use of being a skilled assassin if you can't even surprise a mage who just happened to have just that spell?

All it seems to me it that lots of people are trying to give Fighters a far greater advantage in battle against anyone. Also just by having the Foresight spell as said above you would have mere seconds to react. It the stealth attack or ambush was placed correctly then the person who has Foresight would still not have a chance to dodge. After all, the spell only gives them the feeling that something is going to happen. It doesn’t let them see exactly what is about to happen, so the person with the spell might also make the wrong after getting the spidey sense feeling from Foresight you know?

I don’t think the spell should totally make Stealth and Ambush undetectable, but maybe it be "less effective" against those Fighter Abilities, like the person still gets the feeling something is not right but they have no idea what is about to happen, or where the danger is.

I've said my point and I need not repeat it anymore... just as you very well know that fighters are currently more limited than the typical mage by just looking at how many shops and PrCs that cater to magic.

As for Foresight.. just notice how it is being used today-- it being practically a spell used solely for dodging. You see that's the thing.. why else would Foresight be triggered if something cuddly and tame is around. It doesn't.. nobody posts like that as far as I've read. It has always been some way to get away from danger. It has always been some way to dodge a blow... and I think some classes especially assassins who have trained to be stealthy deserve more chances to not be detected so easily.

All I am saying Obs, is the way you have placed it in your first post, this:]

Foresight
Allows you to sense things that are about to happen, seconds before they actually happen (Think Spiderman's spidey sense.) This does not allow you to detect stealth-based attacks especially those accomplished through the Stealth or Ambush fighter abilities

The part I have underlined, everyone will be saying that about 90% of their attacks are stealth-based :/

Thats why I thought it would be better worded as:

Foresight
Allows you to sense things that are about to happen, seconds before they actually happen (Think Spiderman's spidey sense.) Does not work against the Stealth or Ambush fighter abilities.

That way people won't be able to abuse the stealth based attacks :yes:

lol all that work for you to reword it in such a way... ya shoulda done it sooner before all that debate :p

^_^; I know, sorry :lol: In truth I never thought about it till a few moments ago :o

I agree with Obs, simply because it costs more money to buy those fighter abilities than it does to buy that spell. If a fighter has the Stealth ability, it would be unfair for him to be cheated out of all that money because somebody can sense him coming no matter what.

Good idea. :D

As I've said about this very same subject a few times before, the spell will not be changing.